Enlightenment – A Gradual Path, or Possible Here and Now?

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    • #225
      TotnesMeditation
      Keymaster

      What do you think?

    • #247
      peteroftotnes
      Participant

      Just thought I’d share (as a comment into the Forum) that at the moment I’m reading ‘No time to lose’ by Pema Chodron ‘Guide to the way of the Bodhisattva’ Shantideva’s great thesis.

      Anyone else had the opportunity to study this ?

    • #248
      GillT
      Participant

      I don’t think of it as an either/or matter, there are so many paths-as many as there are meditators, and we all respond to different teachings and different meditation methods in our own personal ways. Some people may experience small awakenings and be frustrated for years wishing to relive the experience, or you might spend many years plodding along the gradual path building your understanding and wisdom. Or if you’re VERY fortunate you might find a teacher or have an experience that brings sudden awakening. I think everyone’s different. Me, I’m a plodder…

    • #250
      TotnesMeditation
      Keymaster

      I’ve not read that book Peter…maybe you could start a new topic so we can discuss it?

    • #251
      TotnesMeditation
      Keymaster

      Yes, for me – every now and then, small insights, with plodding on the rest of the time!

    • #252
      Ragtime
      Participant

      Kondanna was awakened during the Buddha’s first turning of the Dharma Wheel.It was the words “Whatever is subject to arising is also subject to cessation” that wiped the dust from his eyes. Ananda, even though he was with the Buddha for many years, had to wait until after the Buddha’s passing away.
      The Zen tradition records many sudden awakenings, both from the disant past and more in more recent times. Even so, I’m sure that for most who have such experiences, they have many years of practice as a foundation. Anyway, Master Dogen said that practice and awakening cannot be two.

    • #255
      peteroftotnes
      Participant

      Well ,here’s a thing regarding insights and patience – came out of a friends house last night to discover a back window of the car broken. Do I make a drama out of it? Just a bit of an (suppose you could call it an insight) insight moment and adopted a bit of patience and calmness over the problem and it indeed did help. Still a nuisance but no big deal. Just goes to show that theorising into action works.

      Oh, and I’m a plodder too – but now and again I come across a spark of good sense from the Dharma from all sort of sources.

    • #259
      Ragtime
      Participant

      If awakening/enlightenment is not possible here and now, then it can’t be possible at all as there is only here and now, there is no other time. True?

    • #260
      peteroftotnes
      Participant

      Well, yes there is only now to be experienced directly. However, if we are lucky enough to have a future then there is the possibility to experience awakening /enlightenment (whatever they mean to people) then. I feel we follow the dharma path as best we can as lay Buddhists into the future without striving for any goal – the means are good enough.

    • #263
      Ragtime
      Participant

      Is there anybody else out there who is interested in contributing and keeping this forum alive?

      Please feel free, don’t be shy!

    • #265
      TotnesMeditation
      Keymaster

      We are only a few!

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